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Title: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: Sandman[SA] on July 05, 2021, 05:50:01 pm
Microsoft stated a while back that Windows 10 would be the LAST OS they intend to put out.  And here they are coming out with Windows 11.  Oh, by the way.  Support for Windows 10 will end sometime in 2025.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_6wIxRC4-c&ab_channel=Britec09

It's been stated that it will have a new UI, similar to something like Mac OS has.  But also try to bring back a failed UI that Windows 8.0 featured and failed.  Namely touch screen UI.  Also, there is loads of talk about TPM 2.0 (Trusted Platform Module) only support.  If your computer doesn't have this, you may not be able to install Windows 11.

Here is a list of processors that currently have TPM 2.0 support.  In short, AMD Ryzen 2000 series and up and Intel Core series, 8th gen and up have it on the processor.  But needs to be enabled in the UEFI.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on September 30, 2021, 07:21:00 pm
Here is some more info regarding Windows 11 on older hardware.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF6lu6IzIo8&ab_channel=ThioJoe
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on October 21, 2021, 12:06:18 am
Well when I was looking at Windows today to fix my mouse problem it seems my system is too outdated / old for Windows 11 so ...

Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 21, 2021, 12:21:37 am
So...  If Dave is able to find you a Intel Z370 or Z390 chipset mainboard, I have a Intel 8700K I can give you to help get you up to date enough to run Windows 11.  If you want it?
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on October 21, 2021, 12:23:26 am
So...  If Dave is able to find you a Intel Z370 or Z390 chipset mainboard, I have a Intel 8700K I can give you to help get you up to date enough to run Windows 11.  If you want it?

Oh ya for sure if he can find me one.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 21, 2021, 01:55:19 am
So...  If Dave is able to find you a Intel Z370 or Z390 chipset mainboard, I have a Intel 8700K I can give you to help get you up to date enough to run Windows 11.  If you want it?

Oh ya for sure if he can find me one.

Word to the wise though.  You would need a decent cooler for it as there is no factory cooler for it.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Rabid Zucchini on December 20, 2021, 11:51:34 pm
Yes, more than a little frustrated that the Microsoft gods have declared my i7-7700 obsolete.
I will also never understand why Microsoft thinks it needs to be more like Mac. If we wanted a Mac, I think most of us would buy a Mac???
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on January 15, 2022, 02:23:01 pm
Yes, more than a little frustrated that the Microsoft gods have declared my i7-7700 obsolete.
I will also never understand why Microsoft thinks it needs to be more like Mac. If we wanted a Mac, I think most of us would buy a Mac???

From what I hear, you can still install windows 11 on older systems.  From my understanding, the caveat is, it won't let you use automatic updates?

But yeah.  I know what you mean.  Microsoft is again trying something off the wall new for them and very few are liking the direction they are taking.  Most are seeing this as another windows me or windows 8 disaster.  :duh:
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on January 15, 2022, 03:00:33 pm
I noticed that Windows really wants to be ahead of the future and sees the future as being all touch screens.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on January 15, 2022, 03:45:02 pm
I noticed that Windows really wants to be ahead of the future and sees the future as being all touch screens.

That may be true with laptops and tablets.  But when was the last time you saw a modern traditional desktop monitor or TV with touch screen support?  Let's just say, it's extremely rare.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on January 17, 2022, 04:08:42 pm
I noticed that Windows really wants to be ahead of the future and sees the future as being all touch screens.

That may be true with laptops and tablets.  But when was the last time you saw a modern traditional desktop monitor or TV with touch screen support?  Let's just say, it's extremely rare.

My cousin Bob has one.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on January 22, 2022, 08:04:23 pm
My cousin Bob has one.

I bet it was pretty expensive?
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on March 02, 2022, 10:01:00 pm
My cousin Bob has one.

I bet it was pretty expensive?

I presume it was, yes. It was 2 years ago now at least. But he enjoyed showing it off to the whole family.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on September 07, 2022, 09:13:28 pm
So new news on the Windows 11 front.  Sorry KT.  Your old quad core is still not supported.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qV2B4GzpCY&ab_channel=ThioJoe
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on September 07, 2022, 10:32:54 pm
 I kinda assume you haven't sent her that 8th gen I7 yet. I have that 8th gen motherboard (pins repaired. and 16gb ddr4 that now works dual channel, once she gets the chip to me I can figure how decent of a cooler it will need for her case. Once she gets the time to do another upgrade.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on September 09, 2022, 05:50:52 pm
The thing with that chip is, I had de-lidded it but haven't applied any silicone to secure the IHS in place.  Even after de-lidding, it still runs kind of hot.  About 95-C at 5 ghz all-core with a EKWB supremacy EVO strapped to it.  And about 80-C if you just let it run to its default 4.7 ghz boost.  It demands a good cooler.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on September 12, 2022, 03:08:24 pm
The thing with that chip is, I had de-lidded it but haven't applied any silicone to secure the IHS in place.  Even after de-lidding, it still runs kind of hot.  About 95-C at 5 ghz all-core with a EKWB supremacy EVO strapped to it.  And about 80-C if you just let it run to its default 4.7 ghz boost.  It demands a good cooler.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/HuNH9ntgLtWKI/giphy.gif?cid=790b76112b0d663a14cb7099f4fc47d58ff2af68b1db9c43&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on September 14, 2022, 10:06:36 pm
That image reminded me of that time when you visited me and used my laptop to play L4D for a week straight.  And how hot that thing got.  lol
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on September 19, 2022, 10:18:11 pm
I guess it's better to stick with the I5 8400 6 core I got it with. Should be able to run with the stock cooler also.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHNLTQdY_5A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfb-PYsisXg


 Maybe if you have some money kicking around see what deals you could find in the used graphics card market near you. she's still rocking a EVGA GTX 760 OC 2gb.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on September 22, 2022, 07:31:49 pm
I guess it's better to stick with the I5 8400 6 core I got it with. Should be able to run with the stock cooler also.

In most cases, a modern I5 is better for gaming than an I7.

Maybe if you have some money kicking around see what deals you could find in the used graphics card market near you. she's still rocking a EVGA GTX 760 OC 2gb.

That was a decent card for its time.  But it's not even close to entry level today.  I'll see what I can find.

Edit: Still a bit overpriced IMO, but this doesn't look too bad.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/643923/asus-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-tuf-evo-overclocked-dual-fan-6gb-gddr6-pcie-30-graphics-card
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on September 26, 2022, 04:01:49 pm
 You could maybe try Facebook marketplace or whatever E-bay has for local stuff and probably get something twice the performance. just make sure you try it out with heaven or valley benchmark with drivers loaded first before buying. I always test out the card before paying. I did have a card that worked and was detected till it had the drivers loaded. then when I would try to run any tests it crashed or blue screened, didn't buy that one.
 I was gonna suggest a 6500 XT but then noticed it relies on PCI-E 4.0 for full performance, not supported on 8th gen. Maybe you could find a good used RX 580, GTX 1060, or 1070. 
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on September 29, 2022, 10:41:15 pm
The RX6400 and RX6500 series both depend on PCI-e 4.0 and resizable bar.  And only run on 4 and 8 PCI-e lanes respectively.  8th, 9th and 10th gen Intel does not have PCI-e 4.0.  So yeah, that's a no go.  I think 11th gen Intel supports PCI-e 4.0.  BUT... as far back as 8th gen Intel, it DOES support resizable bar with the latest bios update.

I've thought about trying the used market, but typically.  Most "decent enough" used and reasonably priced video cards for sale are commonly priced too good to be good.  If you get my meaning?  You might get lucky, and it only needs a good cleaning and a re-paste.  But I can't live with spending good money for a video card and shipping it to another country to have it fail a short time later.  And no way to warrantee it.  I am wishing I hung on to those RX580 and RX590 I had.  I would have gladly donated one of those.  Right now, they are still 3X what the MSRP was when they came out.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on October 01, 2022, 03:14:35 pm
 Market price just took a dive because 75 percent of mining with GPU's just ended. a flood of used GPU's should be hitting the market any time now. could Look into used 970 -1080's over there. In the states you-tubers are saying the prices Have already dropped but it hasn't been reflected in my city's local ad's yet. I'm pretty sure she doesn't have a monitor that pulls over 1080p 60hz. if the card out puts that on most stuff at high settings she'd likely be more than fine with that.
 Maybe we just have to wait for a bit of time for the used market's prices to adjust.
 
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 01, 2022, 11:46:00 pm
Yeah.  Those massive price drops youtubers keep talking about hasn't really taken effect yet here either.  Unless your fine with using an abused ex mining card.  I know what you mean about the display issue.  Frame rates on a 1080P / 60 hz display run from a decent graphics card is just going to get capped by the display and the CPU.  Is she still using a CRT?  Or did she finally get at least some sort of panel display?

In all due respect, she will eventually need a complete system overhaul if she wants to see any noticeable gains in gaming.  It would be great if we could get a group effort together again to help build her a new battle station.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on October 02, 2022, 04:25:13 pm
 I already have the 8th gen motherboard, 16gb's ram DDR4 and i5-8400 I think she has a 19"  LCD monitor I thought it was a new one, maybe just before the pandemic. I thought maybe you ordered it for her. I don't think her monitor before that one was 1080p though. her limiting factor on a monitor is that desk she still has. the section designated for the monitor will only fit about a 19" monitor. she didn't want to try an alternative mounting to get the monitor out of it's nook to use a bigger one. I tried getting her to change to a higher flowing case she wanted to stick with her current one. so just keep in mind, a "battle station" might not be possible with her restrictions. Plus at the moment, I'm not overflowing in the cash department.
 I don't think the performance of her system is the thing that is stopping her from gaming at this time.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 06, 2022, 11:54:55 pm
I don't know what monitor she has.  But I did get her a better set of headphones not that long ago.  If that is an older LCD monitor, I need to know what connection it uses.  VGA?  DVI?  HDMI?  That will be important to know.  I fear she will need a new monitor as well with a newer graphics card.  Wait...  Is she is still using that alien case that team SA got her all those years ago?  That case was barely "ok" for the AMD phenom II X3 she had way back then.  It doesn't have enough airflow needed for the 2nd gen Intel she has now, let alone a considerably higher TDP 8th gen you're planning for her.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on October 07, 2022, 02:45:20 pm
 She'd have to tell you whatever monitor she's running, but I think adapters can take care of most monitors and a I think her's isn't too old.
https://www.newegg.ca/black-blue-apevia-x-hermes-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811144292
 That is the case she is currently running though most of the original fans have long since passed and been replaced. I tried a couple of years back to have her go to a better flowing case when I had one but she wanted to stick to that one because she had picked it out and bought it.
 the case I obtained with the MB, CPU for her was such garbage on airflow it's probably going to the curb once I upgrade her.
 Her pics of her case are on page 8 of bragging rights.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 10, 2022, 11:09:34 pm
Now that you pointed it out, I do remember that case.  At least it's a somewhat more modern case with USB 3 in the front IO.  And it looks like that 200mm side intake fan is its only noticeable source of fresh air.  If you put a recent graphics card in that case, you may not be able to close the side cover.  My 2 most recent gpu's (RX 5700 XT and RX 6900 XT) reach about 6 and 10 mm away from the side glass of my 011 D XL.  Yeah, I know they are both water blocked.  But the manifolds add less than an inch to the card's overall width.

Back to the monitor.  Yeah, an adaptor will work in a pinch.  Well enough to get a display out, surely.  But the display quality and refresh rates could suffer badly.

So she says it's DVI.  I suppose we can look for a decent 10 series nvidea card?  That still had a DVI port.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on October 11, 2022, 03:37:30 pm
 As far as resolution goes I think her current monitor pulls maybe 1080p max. thought it might have a HDMI port on it but she might not have had the cable for it at the time or we didn't even think to check at the time. If you get the model number of the monitor off her, specs should list all connections, pretty sure most the 10 series still had DVI a few 1080 TI's 1070 TI's were missing them. 
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 14, 2022, 12:22:33 am
I'm certain that most of the GTX 10 series cards and Radeon cards from that same era still had a legacy DVI connector.  My R9 390X has 2 of them.  But that connection type was phased out at that point in favor of much higher resolution and bandwidth of HDMI and DP connections.  So why they kept DVI then is anyone's guess.

But if she is using a DVI only capable LED monitor, it's most likely running 1080p at 59 Hz max.  Not a true 60 Hz that it may otherwise be reporting.  It will work fine for everyday use and general video playback.  Latency and color accuracy is fair at best and has been proven to give the user mild headaches during extended use scenarios.

So, I've been thinking of helping her out a bit so she can pick out a better, yet budget minded 120 Hz or better display to pair with a better graphics card.  A GTX 1660 TI would be a decent 1080p card that is capable of some light 1440p gaming.  If anyone would like to help with some donations, we might be able to go a tier higher.
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on October 18, 2022, 04:30:22 pm
 I think up till recently she was using a VGA cable but when she had a problem at her mom's with the video cable she ended up using the the DVI cable (this was I believe earlier this year).
I don't know what monitor she's running or where you get the idea that a 1hz difference or even that that is a thing is coming from. is her problem from me saying that she wouldn't go to a larger monitor based on her desk design( that her monitor is inset in one of the compartments of). Do you think 1440p gaming is really a resolution she would end up using on a 19 " monitor. If we were talking about a 32" or so monitor I could see your point for 1440p. but at 19-20" I really can't see the need for it. like a 15.6 in 4k screen is it practical?
 
Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 18, 2022, 08:50:42 pm
It doesn't really matter what her current displays true max refresh rate is.  It's fine for what she has now.  But it's to slow for modern gaming hardware.  A DVI connection is simply outdated and adding an adaptor from HDMI or DP to DVI will not provide any improvements.  In fact, it could make gaming performance worse by adding additional latency.  And no.  A 15.6-inch 4K display is not practical for anything other than a high-end laptop computer.

I haven't done much research on this, but I haven't seen any 1440p displays under 24".  (23.8" doesn't count.  It's still 24".)  But it seems that 24-to-27-inch displays are the sweet spot for 2K resolution over 120 Hz, and at reasonable prices.  I have tried talking to her about this and she has expressed the same concerns about her available desk space.  There is no room for a larger display or even anything outside of her preferred case size that can fit inside of her desk.  She is very sentimental about holding on to that desk.  It fulfilled all her needs when she got it way back when.  But it will no longer support a modern gaming computer system.  So, I am not sure what we can do for her at this point.  She needs a desk intervention or something.  lol.  There are plenty of ways to create a decent budget desk.  One example is using cheap filing cabinets under a piece of countertop material.  And she can get one of those snap together cube storage things for on desktop storage if she needs it.  The possibilities are endless.

If KT does get to reading this, these videos can help explain a few things about displays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKtElvxl8A&ab_channel=techless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAOQaMMGbcw&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed
Title: Katie's PC is very outdated by now Oct 2022
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on October 19, 2022, 02:13:50 am
I don't know what monitor she has.  But I did get her a better set of headphones not that long ago.  If that is an older LCD monitor, I need to know what connection it uses.  VGA?  DVI?  HDMI?  That will be important to know.  I fear she will need a new monitor as well with a newer graphics card.  Wait...  Is she is still using that alien case that team SA got her all those years ago?  That case was barely "ok" for the AMD phenom II X3 she had way back then.  It doesn't have enough airflow needed for the 2nd gen Intel she has now, let alone a considerably higher TDP 8th gen you're planning for her.
I think up till recently she was using a VGA cable but when she had a problem at her mom's with the video cable she ended up using the the DVI cable (this was I believe earlier this year). 

🌟 In an attempt to make this post not as long I have added spoilers.
So that if you WANT additional info you can click them. If not, read on.
🌟

DVI and my 19" monitor fits to the max width of 18" in my hutch so sadly any bigger will have to sit in front of my hutch. I AM willing to do that. Read spoiler for more on that.

Spoiler (hover to show)

I am going to try to reorganize as well as get Dave over here to help me figure out a better arrangement for more room which will open up more possibilities.

One question I have is about my RAM. I have just 8Gb right? Because for some reason I had in my sig 16. It is 8. I had put 16 because that is what you told me you upgraded me to back in 2021:

As to KT's question to what she has now besides the 4tb drive that was put in I also upgrade her ram to 16gb, and her cpu to an I7 2600 at 3.4ghz (replacing the i5 2400 3.1ghz).

I am going to open my case up (after powering down of course) and see if the stick is seated properly.

UPDATE: I can see through the door that the right stick is popped out of its seat at the top just a bit but obviously enough to not make contact. You can even see in the attachments at the end of this post the memory load recorded in HWiNFO

As per the cord issue, that was because my mom using my brother's huge monitor that went and having to switch to my extra 19" monitor meant different cord. I did not give her mine but ended up switching things around as she could no longer use HDMI with the 19" monitor she is currently using.

After going big, going back to 19" sucks and I myself have been feeling like this 19" is too small for website screen space as well as in games especially with how bad my eyesight has become! I need everything bigger but that means less room for the UI in games..  👀  19" is just too small for my aging eyes guys! 😢

Spoiler (hover to show)


My main components:

    CPU:  Intel Core i7-2600 (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/52213/intel-core-i72600-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-80-ghz.html)
    Motherboard:
    RAM: 8 GBytes DDR3 SDRAM KHX1600C10D3/8GX (https://www.newegg.com/hyperx-8gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820104301) (1 stick possibly not seated properly)
    HDD/SSD:
    PSU:  Cooler Master GX 750W (https://www.techspot.com/products/power-supplies/cooler-master-gx-750w.7876/)
    GPU:  NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 (https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-760.c1857) (Video Chipset Codename: GK104-225)
    Computer Tower/Case: Apevia X-Hermes-BL (https://www.pc-specs.com/case/Apevia/Apevia_X-Hermes-BL/928)
    Computer Monitor: 19" ASUS VE198 (https://productz.com/en/asus-ve198n/p/5gMVl) 19" 5ms LED BackLight LCD Monitor, 1 DVI-D port & 1 VGA (D-Sub) port. HD-type NOT supported.
    Optical Drive CD/DVD: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24LS50 (https://www.lg.com/us/burners-drives/lg-GH24LS50)
    Backup External Power: APC Back-UPS ES 750 FW:841.I3 .D USB FW:I3 (https://www.apc.com/us/en/product/BE750G/apc-backups-es-750va-120vac/)  13.670 V (3B0930X09539)


Photos: (Besides the stats attached)

Case:

(https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/11-144-292_R12.jpg)
(http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-144-292-11.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zINy4qo.jpg)

Monitor:

(https://i.imgur.com/aZDzGq1.jpg)

(https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/24-236-107-06.jpg)

(https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/24-236-107-05.jpg)

(https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/24-236-107-08.jpg)


PSU:

(https://static.techspot.com/images/products/2010/power-supplies/org/1731101994_1085484211_o.jpg)





Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 19, 2022, 02:58:21 am
Since oneeyed is getting you a 8th gen intel board, ask him to make sure that the UEFI BIOS is fully updated.  Because that will give us the option of running a graphics card that has resizable bar.  Or rebar for short.  It would appear that 8th gen intel and up can support rebar.  As well as ryzen 3rd gen and up for AMD.

Rebar essentially lets the main system processor access all of your video cards memory, all at once.  With how video card memory allotment and speed is constantly increasing, rebar will provide far superior performance for demanding applications.  Where without rebar support, the system can only access the video cards memory in 256 Mb chunks.  And with how video cards are coming with 8 Gb of vram or more and much higher speeds these days, something had to change.

Just adding proof that 8th and 9th gen intel can run rebar.
Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on October 19, 2022, 03:52:16 am
Since oneeyed is getting you a 8th gen intel board, ask him to make sure that the UEFI BIOS is fully updated.  Because that will give us the option of running a graphics card that has resizable bar.  Or rebar for short.  It would appear that 8th gen intel and up can support rebar.  As well as ryzen 3rd gen and up for AMD.

Rebar essentially lets the main system processor access all of your video cards memory, all at once.  With how video card memory allotment and speed is constantly increasing, rebar will provide far superior performance for demanding applications.  Where without rebar support, the system can only access the video cards memory in 256 Mb chunks.  And with how video cards are coming with 8 Gb of vram or more and much higher speeds these days, something had to change.

Okay I am sure he will see this post but Dave is pretty good at keeping BIOS updated. He is pretty particular about certain things. Also should you not be in bed already? You work in the morning and it is 3am. But I do appreciate that you took the time to reply despite how tired you must be. Thank you.

I am still awake because my sleep is all messed up at the moment but I am now looking for my desk and cannot find it online.

My desk, if you remember, is a type that is somewhere between these 2 images:

(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/619kz8GtMiL._SL1000_.jpg)(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/814d9bb4-a7b9-4f44-949c-c581414e00e1.0afd8a2f30a0ec0da082e1d9e084d956.jpeg)

It has that side where the case sits (not enclosed, no door) and under that 2 drawers but above where the case sits is where the printer sits.  The keyboard drawer was like that but while I was on dialysis and with my Sleep Apnea being so bad at that time I fell into the drawer two times that I got out of bed and fell back to sleep right away standing up and now have a screw on one that is not as wide. The length of my desk surface area is more like the 2nd image with a hutch.

The part where the other image has to do with my desk is the hutch. This is the closest pic I could find to what mine looks like even though not perfect. The shelves in my hutch are adjustable and can even be taken out but the hutch itself does not separate from the desk. Or does it..?? Jeff you remember when you built my desk (I still have the photo lol). The hutch did come separately didn't it? Maybe we should just take it off? It would then look a LOT more like the first image only and I could even place the case on TOP of the desk.

Spoiler (hover to show)

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Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on October 19, 2022, 05:26:37 am
I have changed the thread name from Here comes Windows 11!? to Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??

REASON: To make it easier to find this thread in the future and after the first couple posts the thread has turned into how to get my PC Win11 ready before 2025 (the End of Win10 support) so it just made sense.
Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on October 19, 2022, 09:31:51 am
I read that I CAN reuse my Win10 LICENSE (I do not have a Key for WIN 10 Pro as I upgraded from Win 7 Pro online when MS offered it free during when they said free was for a limited time) for the new install but we will have to see when the time comes to it if that works out. Researching though it looks like it should, especially since my acct is linked to my MS acct. (http://www.killerz.dns2go.com/smfbb20/Themes/heliosmulti_smf20final_b/images/post/thumbup.gif)

Is Your Windows Product Key Transferrable?

When it comes to transferability, there are two types of Windows key:


If you don't know which type of Windows product key you have, you can find out when you unearth the key itself.

I do not have a Windows 10 Pro KEY per say but a License connected to my Microsoft acct. So this information is very important:

If your key is transferrable and you want to transfer it, you now need to know whether you have a "digital license" or a regular one. With a regular license, you can transfer the product key from one computer to another by deactivating it on the old PC before entering it on the new one.

However, if you have a digital license, that means that the number is tied to your Microsoft account and, in order to transfer it, you need to follow a different procedure which involves deactivating the old PC via your Microsoft account's settings menu.


So here are the steps I must take: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/transfer-windows-license-to-new-pc (https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/transfer-windows-license-to-new-pc)

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Posts I got my info from:


Also when I did upgrade to Windows 10 it did ask me what I want my Microsoft email to be (they suggest outlook but I already had a hotmail from WAY back). This thread reminded me of that: Reset will lose my pro upgrade (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reset-will-lose-my-pro-upgrade/6af58072-75b8-4b5b-af14-99ffadfff7f1?rtAction=1666151022583)



Adding more info to this same post as I noticed the thread is mainly talking about what to upgrade my computer with. So posting more about installing Windows 10 or 11 seems to not be needed but I wanted to not lose the info so just adding to here to this previous post as an edit. ;)

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/find-your-windows-product-key-aaa2bf69-7b2b-9f13-f581-a806abf0a886 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/find-your-windows-product-key-aaa2bf69-7b2b-9f13-f581-a806abf0a886)

For more Windows 11 download info, see Download Windows 11 (https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11).

For more Windows 10 download info, see Download Windows 10 (https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10).

If you need installation media to install or reinstall  Windows, see Create installation media for Windows (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/create-installation-media-for-windows-99a58364-8c02-206f-aa6f-40c3b507420d) to learn how to create your own installation media using either a USB flash drive or a DVD.




If you need more help with activation, see Activate Windows (https://support.microsoft.com/help/12440/).

If you're getting an activation error, see Get help with Windows activation errors (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/get-help-with-windows-activation-errors-09d8fb64-6768-4815-0c30-159fa7d89d85).

If you’re reinstalling Windows, you might not need a Windows product key. See Activation in Windows (https://support.microsoft.com/help/12440/) for more info.

If you're reinstalling Windows 10 or Windows 11 due to a changing motherboard or other hardware, see Reactivating Windows after a hardware change (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/reactivating-windows-after-a-hardware-change-2c0e962a-f04c-145b-6ead-fb3fc72b6665).





Title: Re: Here comes Windows 11!?
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on October 19, 2022, 04:04:29 pm
Since oneeyed is getting you a 8th gen intel board, ask him to make sure that the UEFI BIOS is fully updated.  Because that will give us the option of running a graphics card that has resizable bar.  Or rebar for short.  It would appear that 8th gen intel and up can support rebar.  As well as ryzen 3rd gen and up for AMD.

Rebar essentially lets the main system processor access all of your video cards memory, all at once.  With how video card memory allotment and speed is constantly increasing, rebar will provide far superior performance for demanding applications.  Where without rebar support, the system can only access the video cards memory in 256 Mb chunks.  And with how video cards are coming with 8 Gb of vram or more and much higher speeds these days, something had to change.


 Rebar is probably the last issue she has to worry about right now, only a couple of games it might make a measurable change in FPS on (depending on your hardware combination)and can on some games make FPS worse. It seems at the moment, just to be one of those things you see if it ends up liking your hardware and in which games. Not a turn it on and forget it, free FPS- type of solution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM-mDf0U38k
Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 20, 2022, 12:38:14 am
I don't know if you've noticed, but every modern video card on the market today boasting pcie gen 4 support, also has rebar support?  If I am going to help her get a better graphics card, it's going to be a new one that can play her favorite games comfortably and reliably for years to come.
Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: Sandman[SA] on October 22, 2022, 10:55:38 pm
I have changed the thread name from Here comes Windows 11!? to Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??

Your current 2nd gen intel system can not run windows 11.  At least, not normally.  You would essentially be running a "trial version" in a sense if you tried some hacks to install it today.  The 8th gen intel system you should be getting CAN run win 11.  But you would have to enable the built-in TPM in the uefi.  It's disabled by default.  And I think secure boot needs to be enabled too.  Not 100% sure on that.
Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: One Eyed Wonderweasle on November 16, 2022, 05:03:34 pm
I don't know if you've noticed, but every modern video card on the market today boasting pcie gen 4 support, also has rebar support?  If I am going to help her get a better graphics card, it's going to be a new one that can play her favorite games comfortably and reliably for years to come.

 Related maybe black Friday sales?
https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Speedster-Radeon-Graphics-RX-66XL8LFDQ/dp/B09HHLX543/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Computer+Graphics+Cards+rx&qid=1668638107&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A23883927011%2Cp_n_feature_twenty_browse-bin%3A23572110011&rnid=23572106011&s=pc&sr=1-4

 Or could wait till thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on November 25, 2022, 05:01:12 pm
Well today is Black Friday and yesterday was the American thankgiving. How was yours Jeff?
Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: Sandman[SA] on November 25, 2022, 10:06:00 pm
yesterday was the American thankgiving. How was yours Jeff?

I went to my sisters as usual, so it wasn't bad.
Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: KT 💣 KλBoƠM on December 01, 2022, 06:22:47 pm
yesterday was the American thankgiving. How was yours Jeff?

I went to my sisters as usual, so it wasn't bad.

One of your sisters shared a photo, and you looked the same as usual. Good to see it went well.
Title: Re: Windows 11. Can KT's PC handle it??
Post by: Sandman[SA] on December 05, 2022, 10:00:53 pm
The whole time I was there, I was gritting my teeth, just waiting for my sisters to start picking on each other.  Thankfully, they somewhat behaved themselves this time.  At least they waited until after the photo session.  ::)