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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2015, 06:53:48 pm »
Okay, first things first.

In the past, I have tried many windows upgrades and even though they have worked well enough, they usually left something behind from the older version that either didn't work any more or didn't work right.  Also, it wasn't until win XP where you could actually install a upgrade as a fresh install but still had to juggle both versions CD's to get it to install.

Also, since it says that once you install it to your machine, it's good for as long as it still runs.  So what happens if you have a HDD failure and have to re-install?  Can I get a hard copy to reinstall it or do I have to install win7 and download it again?  And what happens if I need to replace my computer?  I suppose I am SOL then and have to buy a full version then?

Next concern of mine is that for the most part, my computer is working on 5 years old so most of my hardware is only windows vista ready but still windows 7 compatible.  Other hardware I have is limited to windows XP and I can trick it to run in windows 7 with the virtual windows XP interface.  I would most likely have to upgrade a couple of things.

@KT, you can go dual boot IF you install win 10 as a full version on another drive or partition.  But since this is slated to only be a upgrade, I don't know if you can do this yet.

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft ..what is the catch??
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2015, 04:37:13 am »
Well now that it has been released we have more information and it seems a lot of people had the same concerns as you.

Sandman: Get a drink and get out your glasses. You are in for a long read but I have cut it up into sections to try to make it easier:

** Make sure to notice dates of each article **

System Requirements:

Processor:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor or SoC

RAM:
1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit

Hard disk space:
16 GB for 32-bit OS 20 GB for 64-bit OS

Graphics card:
DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver

Display:
800x600

Hmm.. seems REALLY low. That got me wondering just how much of Microsoft Windows 10 is actually run off their Asure Cloud... They don't actually tell you though.

Windows 10 could well be the trigger that will drive the growth of cloud-based virtual desktop integration. Here's why.

http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/windows-10-your-pc-is-headed-for-the-cloud/d/d-id/1320005

http://blogs.iis.net/rickbarber/we-deployed-windows-10-on-our-public-cloud-and-it-was-pretty-fast

So we are to trust Microsoft completely with all our programs and allow it to uninstall what is expired at its whim??

  • If the antimalware application is compatible and current, your application will be preserved during the upgrade to Windows 10.
  • If your antimalware subscription is not current (expired), Windows will uninstall your application and enable Windows Defender.
  • For certain third party applications, the Get Windows 10 app will scan for application compatibility. If there is a known issue that will prevent the upgrade, you will be notified of the list of applications with known issues. You can choose to accept and the applications will be removed from the system prior to upgrade. Please be sure to copy the list before you accept the removal of the application.
  • Many applications, files, and settings will migrate as part of the upgrade. However, some applications or settings may not migrate.
  • The upgradeability of a device includes factors beyond the system specification. This includes driver and firmware support, application compatibility, and feature support, regardless of whether or not the device meets the minimum system specification for Windows 10.
  • Windows 10 Home users will receive updates from Windows Update automatically when it’s available.
    BUT!
    Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will have the ability to postpone updates. The amount of time that Windows 10 Pro users can postpone updates is limited.
  • If you have Windows 7 Home Premium, Windows 7 Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 8 Pro with Media Center, or Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center and you install Windows 10, Windows Media Center will be removed.
  • Windows 7 desktop gadgets will be removed as part of installing Windows
  • Solitaire, Minesweeper, and Hearts Games that come pre-installed on Windows 7 will be removed as part of installing the Windows 10 upgrade. Microsoft has released our version of Solitaire and Minesweeper called the “Microsoft Solitaire Collection” and “Microsoft Minesweeper.”
  • If you have Windows Live Essentials installed on your system, the OneDrive application is removed and replaced with the inbox version of OneDrive.
  • Microsoft account required for some features.
  • Some games and programs might require a graphics card compatible with DirectX 10 or higher for optimal performance.
  • To install a 64-bit OS on a 64-bit PC, your processor needs to support CMPXCHG16b, PrefetchW, and LAHF/SAHF.
  • Device encryption requires a PC with InstantGo and TPM 2.0.
  • To take advantage of this free offer, you must upgrade to Windows 10 within one year of availability.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications

Windows lifecycle fact sheet

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Windows 7:
Mainstream support of Windows 7 ended January 13, 2015  but Extended support doesn't end until January 14, 2020.

Windows 8:

Mainstream Support: January 9, 2018

Extended Support: January 10, 2023

Windows 10:

Mainstream Support: October 13, 2020

Extended Support: October 14, 2025

Windows Availability to PURCHASE (Previous versions):

Windows 7 Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate: NO LONGER AVAILABLE!

Windows 7 Professional is not available but some computers may still be sold with it preinstalled.

Windows 8 is not available but some computers may still be sold with it preinstalled.

Windows 8.1: ?


Yes you CAN get Windows 10 as an ISO

http://www.zdnet.com/article/its-july-29-do-you-know-where-your-windows-10-and-office-mobile-bits-are/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/4909/microsoft-delivers-windows-10-on-iso

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

How to turn your Windows 10 upgrade files into an ISO disk image

http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-turn-your-windows-10-upgrade-into-an-iso/

FAQ doesn't answer all the questions..

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/faq

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-youve-got-questions-ive-got-answers/

You can run Windows 10 on a Virtual Machine:

http://www.zdnet.com/pictures/installing-windows-10-into-virtualbox/

Windows 10 security risks??  One is sharing of your Wifi ...

Krebs is very reputable by the way

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/07/windows-10-shares-your-wi-fi-with-contacts/

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Microsoft’s solution for those concerned requires users to change the name (a.k.a. “SSID“) of their Wi-Fi network to include the text “_optout” somewhere in the network name (for example, “oldnetworknamehere_optout”).

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/30/windows_10_wi_fi_sense/

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A Microsoft PR rep has been in touch about the headline, pointing out that when you share access to your network via Wi-Fi Sense, your contacts cannot share that access to other people. We know this.

The headline still stands because: imagine you and I are friends, and you visit my house. I tell you the Wi-Fi password, or you read it off the fridge. You type it into your Windows 10 device, and share access to my network via Wi-Fi Sense with your Windows 10 friends. Your friends now have access to my network, or in other words, my friend's friends now have access to the network.

And that's not good.

Dual Booting?

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2711484/installed-windows-setup-dual-boot.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2741612/windows-dual-boot-windows-windows.html

Will Microsoft start charging for subscriptions after a year?

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-youve-got-questions-ive-got-answers/

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Not true. The Windows 10 upgrade will be free, as in beer, for the first year after it's released. And there won't be any surprise fees after that.

The basic licensing model for Windows has not changed with Windows 10. You get a perpetual license, with five years of mainstream support and five additional years of extended support. See "Microsoft commits to 10-year support lifecycle for Windows 10" for details.
FAQ

All Windows 10 devices will continue to receive updates "for the supported lifetime of the device." What does that mean? At some point in the future, your hardware will no longer meet the specifications for a new release, and that will be the end of the line. But as long as your device can accept updates, it will get them.

Microsoft contributed to the confusion with some clumsy wording, but its intent is clear. The free upgrade offer is designed to get as many current devices as possible to move to a single platform with a single Windows Store. And the one-year deadline is intended to add some urgency to the decision so that Satya Nadella, Terry Myerson, and company meet their self-professed goal of seeing Windows 10 on one billion devices.

How do I get my copy of Windows 10 activated? (Sounds like some fine print to me)

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-youve-got-questions-ive-got-answers/

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When you upgrade over an existing, activated copy of Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, the Setup program checks the current activation status. If it determines the installation is properly activated, it contacts the Microsoft Store and generates a license certificate that is linked to that hardware. (A Microsoft Account is not required for this step.)

This automatic activation process is identical whether you use an ISO file to start the upgrade or do so from the downloaded upgrade files.

After that first activation is complete, you can perform a clean install on that same hardware using an ISO file, which has a product key embedded in it. As long as the hardware matches the previous installation ID, the installation is activated automatically. (Microsoft does not provide details of what goes into the hardware ID, except to confirm that it does not contain any personally identifiable information and is not used for tracking purposes.)

A watermark on the desktop reflects the build number of preview releases. Fully activated, non-Insider installations have no watermark.

When does the Windows 10 Preview expire?

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The Insider Preview program will continue after the launch of Windows 10 on July 29, 2015.

All preview builds released in 2014 have already expired. Beginning with the January 2015 release, build 9926, the license for the preview edition expires on October 1, 2015, at 4:59 PM. On October 15, 2015, those builds will no longer boot.

The final release removes the expiration date completely. New builds, post-launch, should have an expiration date in early 2016.

Can I uninstall Windows 10?

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Upgrading a PC to Windows 10 creates recovery files that allow you to roll back to your previous operating system.

More fineprint (UPdates you CANNOT block)

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Is it true that updates are automatically installed?

Yes, with Windows 10 Home there is no way to selectively block updates, although you can schedule when the installation and any accompanying restarts take place, up to six days in the future.

Note that security updates and new features will be included in cumulative updates. In theory, if you restore an old backup you will only need to install the most recent cumulative update to get fully up to date.

Windows 10 Pro allows you to defer upgrades for several months, and Enterprise edition customers with Volume License contracts that include Software Assurance can deploy machines using the Long Term Servicing Branch, which accepts only security updates and no new features.

Windows 10 Home users will receive updates from Windows Update automatically when it’s available. Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will have the ability to postpone updates. The amount of time that Windows 10 Pro users can postpone updates is limited.

Mandatory Windows 10 Home updates: The good, the bad, and the potentially ugly

http://www.zdnet.com/article/mandatory-windows-10-home-updates-the-good-the-bad-and-the-potentially-ugly/

Does Windows 10 really include a keylogger?

Short answer: No. Longer answer here.

Will your PC run Windows 10? Use the official compatibility checker to find out

http://www.zdnet.com/article/will-your-pc-run-windows-10-use-this-well-hidden-compatibility-checker-to-find-out/

Windows 10 editions: Everything you need to know

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-editions-explained-in-plain-english/

Windows 10: A new beginning

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-a-new-beginning/

All the speculations on the net about what is the REAL reason Microsoft is offering this huge new operating system FOR FREE:

** Note: Not all articles are verified but many are speculation. Note the date on all articles and read thoroughly **










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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2015, 09:10:22 pm »
Well thanks KT.  Very informative.  But I think that at point in time, I will NOT be upgrading my OS.  If or when I decide to upgrade my computer hardware, then I may consider it.  But until then, thanks but no thanks.

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2015, 07:19:17 am »
Well thanks KT.  Very informative.  But I think that at point in time, I will NOT be upgrading my OS.  If or when I decide to upgrade my computer hardware, then I may consider it.  But until then, thanks but no thanks.

Same with me. Even though it is free if you do it within this year (from July 29 2015 to July 28 2016 I guess?) I am already seeing complaints about the forced updates.

Still, some are saying this is the best Windows version yet:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-finally-a-decent-windows-first-release/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61

But over the years I have gotten distrusting of Microsoft.  They have always wanted to monopolize what people can use on their OS and now there is their own browser (not IE but it will be there too) called Microsoft Edge (Codenamed SPARTA).

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/8/7516489/windows-10-new-browser-spartan-features

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/getstarted-get-to-know-microsoft-edge

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10s-best-web-browser-edge-of-something-else/

And of course the forced updates as well as all the control they take out of the hands of the user will totally piss of anyone who likes to work on computers. I don't have it yet (waiting til I am ready to set up dual boot .. want to get a bigger HDD first though and will possibly redo Win 7 on my system as well) so what I have heard is only from others but still .. you know it is always safer to wait and see for all the bugs to be fixed first.  Microsoft doesn't exactly have a good track record for releasing OS' without any bugs.

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2015, 03:40:24 pm »
I tried to upgrade 3 times yesterday and it didn't work once so I guess it is a moot point for me

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2015, 08:38:16 pm »
I have been thinking of giving it try on my craptop.  Simply because there is nothing important on it so I don't care what happens on it.  I would like to see what all the hype is about though.

You know KT, you could go dual boot by using another HDD and installing it to that one.  Huummm.  Crazy idea.  I wonder if you could make it boot virtual?  Like XP does in win7 pro.

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2015, 06:24:48 am »
I have been thinking of giving it try on my craptop.  Simply because there is nothing important on it so I don't care what happens on it.  I would like to see what all the hype is about though.

You know KT, you could go dual boot by using another HDD and installing it to that one.  Huummm.  Crazy idea.  I wonder if you could make it boot virtual?  Like XP does in win7 pro.

You would have to help me with that at that time then when I have another spare drive :P

Also check out this:

Firefox boss attacks Microsoft over the default browser settings in Windows 10

http://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-boss-attacks-microsoft-over-the-default-browser-settings-in-windows-10/

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2015, 10:42:25 am »
SquaZ posted an article on the IA's blog here if you want to take a look:

http://insomniacs-anonymous.com/home/m/7246645/article/3412220

If you can't see it I will quote it here though ;)

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Win 10 Security flaws and how to protect yourself
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In light of the recent launch of Windows 10. Let it be known that Microsoft has added some abilities to the new Operating System that can potentially comprise user security. Whether it be your personal PC or your entire Network that you are connected to. Also listed below are some tips and recommendations when upgrading to 10.

SECURITY:

- Make sure you go to "START > SETTINGS > UPDATE & SECURITY > ADVANCED OPTIONS > CHOOSE HOW UPDATES ARE DELIVERED" and turn off the option under "Updates from more than one place". As by default, Windows 10 has the option "PCs on my local network, and PCs on the internet" checked. Having the Internet option enabled allows users outside your personal network to "Seed" windows updates from your PC. This can be troublesome as it can pose a serious security breach and can also run up your bandwidth cap if you have one. You can also tick the Local option which would make it so that only one PC on your network would have to get the updates and then the rest of your computers on your network would update seed from that single PC. This can be helpful for people with metered connections. (Its a double edge sword folks. Make sure you are using the right side or don't use it at all!)

- I also recommend going into "Start > Settings > Privacy" and looking through all the different categories and turning off apps you do not want to access certain things. IF you have an app called: "App connector" I highly recommend turning this app off in all the sub categories in Privacy. You also want to disable "Let apps use my advertising ID for experience across apps", "Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future", and "Let websites provide locally relevant content by accessing my language list".

- I highly recommend disabling WiFi Sense. What is it? WiFi sense is WiFi-Sharing via your private WiFi pass phrase, shared to anyone that is a friend on Facebook, Skype, or anyone you added to your address book. This pretty much opens your private WiFi network to outsiders. Your ISP can also see it as a breach of TOS and can cause some un-needed trouble for you. To disable: "Start > Settings > Network & Internet > WiFi > Manage WiFi Settings" Once there you pretty much just want to turn off every option you see. (Read them as you turn them off) and you also want to tell Windows 10 to forget any WiFi networks you've signed into in the past, just in case it auto connected you to your evil neighbors public phishing WiFi.

*Note this does not give anyone the password, it just allows them to connect to your WiFi without asking for the password.*


Even though Windows 10 is a really nice Operating System. Microsoft had some dirty options buried within the settings menu. Please do not just jump into the OS without configuring it at all! Take your time and read through the options!

TIPS AND RECOMMENDATIONS:

POWER USERS: If you would like to block all Ads on your PC, add this information to Windows's Host file: http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.txt

This also works on Mac and Linux!




If you do not want to keep your windows.old folder (folder has the old operating system in it in case you need to revert.) Follow this guide from Laptop Mag: http://blog.laptopmag.com/delete-windows-old-folder - This can free up to 20GBs of space on your C:\ drive



I highly recommend grabbing CCleaner and using it to uninstall all the bloatware that comes with Windows 10. Also while your using it, have it clean up your start-up programs and registry entries. Though for metro apps you will need to either go into the store to uninstall or find them in the start menu > right click > uninstall.

*NOTE:* BEFORE YOU RUN A REGISTRY CLEAN, PLEASE FOLLOW THE POPUP AND BACKUP THE REGISTRY! SOMETIMES AUTO CLEANERS CAN CAUSE ISSUES WHEN PLAYING WITH THE REGISTRY!




DISABLING AUTOMATIC RESTARTS:

Go into Start > Settings  > Updates & Security > Advanced Options and set the option to "Notify to schedule restart"




Update your anti-virus software if it's anything other than Windows Defender or Microsoft Security Essentials. Some AV software require an Engine upgrade in order to work in Windows 10.



Defragment your Hard Disk before upgrading! "My Computer >  Right click 'Local Disk "C:\"' > Properties > Tools > Optimize"

*SSD users!* Make sure you run a TRIM (Windows 8+ can auto detect SSDs and run a TRIM instead of Disk Defrag)

After doing the above and upgrading to Windows 10, run Disk Cleanup. Found in the General Menu next to the Capacity pie chart. Allow the utility to scan the system and once complete, click the option to "Clean up System Files" This can free up 20-30+GB of space from the C:\ drive! You may also want to run Disk defrag again later. (SSD users: TRIM)




You may also want to make sure that your motherboard's Bios supports Windows 10. Guides: MaximumPC, PCGamer

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2015, 08:39:03 pm »
Okay.  Well, my computer does have TRIM enabled on my SSD.  But what is TRIM and how do I take advantage of it?

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2015, 01:17:30 am »
Well you, like me, have to research this stuff.

As it is I am looking into what techy people like us are saying about Windows 10 and a lot of them are saying Windows 10 is free because it is spyware:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/584522/by-downloading-windows-10-you-are-allowing-microsoft-to-spy-on-you/

AND that is can and WILL uninstall any programs that it sees as against any TOS even ones that have nothing to do with Microsoft's TOS:

http://www.techworm.net/2015/08/windows-10-can-disable-pirated-games-and-unauthorised-hardware.html

People are discovering that if they decide to get it but not sure on when that Microsoft wants them to set a date for it to install:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/586656/win10-i-need-time-to-decide-but-it-wants-to-upgrade-now/?p=3792677

And also a Compilation of Windows 10 Tips, Tricks and Tools to enhance your privacy:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/586731/compilation-windows-10-tips-tricks-and-tools-to-enhance-your-privacy/

If you don't want Windows 10 and want that pesky icon by the clock to go away:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/586460/how-do-i-get-rid-of-the-windows-10-upgrade-icon-in-my-system-tray/

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2015, 07:24:22 pm »
If you don't want Windows 10 and want that pesky icon by the clock to go away:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/586460/how-do-i-get-rid-of-the-windows-10-upgrade-icon-in-my-system-tray/

God bless you KT.  Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!  I do not want that crap on my desktop PC.... EVER!
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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2015, 01:31:56 am »
If you don't want Windows 10 and want that pesky icon by the clock to go away:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/586460/how-do-i-get-rid-of-the-windows-10-upgrade-icon-in-my-system-tray/

God bless you KT.  Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!  I do not want that crap on my desktop PC.... EVER!

I am glad this helped you. I just worry about the future as they will eventually stop support for Windows 7 and 8 (the dates of when the support will stop have already been set up and confirmed here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/lifecycle)

God Bless you too Jeff :) Sorry I missed your call. Would have been great to have heard your voice again. :)

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2015, 07:48:50 pm »
You know, they discontinue support for ageing software all the time.  Win7 and Win8 are no exception.  And eventually, even Win10 will become a distant memory as well.  Win7 will still be supported for at least another 4 years.  And by that time, I'm sure most of us will have upgraded our computers and there should be another rendition of Windows too.  Or at the very least, have sorted out the issues with Win10.  So don't start worrying about it just yet.  You still have time.

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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2015, 07:00:28 pm »
You know, they discontinue support for ageing software all the time.  Win7 and Win8 are no exception.  And eventually, even Win10 will become a distant memory as well.  Win7 will still be supported for at least another 4 years.  And by that time, I'm sure most of us will have upgraded our computers and there should be another rendition of Windows too.  Or at the very least, have sorted out the issues with Win10.  So don't start worrying about it just yet.  You still have time.
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True BUT ..

It sounds as if Microsoft intends for Windows 10 to be THE Windows for a lifetime. What is intended is no more need to buy Windows versions but for all future versions to be installed via the Microsoft Updates (forced in Windows 10). That is the impression I am getting anyway.

Also I am reading on information if you DO decide to go with Windows 10 how to get it to NOT spy on you:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/586731/compilation-windows-10-tips-tricks-and-tools-to-enhance-your-privacy/



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Re: Windows 10 available for FREE from Microsoft for a LIMITED time?
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2015, 09:59:28 pm »
Maybe it's just me but I question MS intentions.  Why after all these years with their doing everything in their power to prevent pirating the software, do they suddenly just give the latest and greatest work away for free?  I can understand the big deal with win 8.0 to win 8.1.  Win 8.0 was a clusterfuck and they tried to fix it.

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